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水!德国将领谈装甲师编制

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最近看山的那一边,发现些有趣的东西,拿来水一水(虽然我相信很多人看过)[滑稽]


IP属地:中国香港1楼2015-08-31 00:16回复
    前面水贴


    IP属地:广东来自Android客户端3楼2015-08-31 02:04
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      后期德军装甲兵的趋势是坦克越来越少
      步兵和其他兵种越来越多
      向合成化发展,而不是纯增加坦克
      还有 题外话 二战时的营是没有独立的后勤部队的,需要依靠师,团级后勤支援


      8楼2015-08-31 21:06
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        二战德国装甲师其实就是半吊子装甲师,
        第一,缺乏足够数量的坦克作为打击力量,装甲师真正能发挥出打击力量是1939年编制和古德里安提出来的1943年编制,1旅2团4营16连,大约320-400辆坦克才行,而非历史上多数时期德国装甲师编制的160-200辆甚至100辆以下。
        第二,缺乏足够数量和坦克有相同机动性能的伴随车辆,说穿了就是缺乏足够数量的履带式或者半履带式装甲输送车以及火炮牵引车辆运输车辆。历史上德国装甲师也就是1个步兵营实现了半履带装甲车化,其它步兵营都是搭乘轮式车辆,而火炮牵引和后勤车辆也多数是轮式车辆,这样虽然车辆数量庞大,达到了3000辆机动车的水平,但是缺乏离开道路能力,坦克因为步兵炮兵工兵辎重兵大量使用轮式车辆,不能够脱离公路机动,实现真正的越野攻击。


        IP属地:北京9楼2015-09-01 14:15
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          所以说,正是二战时期的作战经验,使得战后各国都把装甲师建设中履带化和装甲化作为最重要的建设目标。最终到了80年代,美国的装甲师机步师,苏联的坦克师摩步师都完美实现了二战时期各国装甲部队的规划。


          IP属地:北京10楼2015-09-01 14:17
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            二战时期德国装甲师,即使受制于当时车辆的生产能力限制,不能够实现步兵伴随车辆,炮兵牵引车辆,后勤运输车辆的全履带化,最低限度也应该实现半履带化。而步兵伴随车辆必须实现装甲化。这样才真正能够实现装甲师编制的企图,脱离道路支持,全地形状态进军。


            IP属地:北京11楼2015-09-01 14:19
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              这本书的翻译非常差,我看的时候需要将这些文字在脑子里转成英文,然后再翻译成中文,才能看得懂。
              如第一句“第二装甲师下属李斯特将军的军队”,正确应该是“第二装甲师隶属于李斯特将军的集团军”。
              所以,不要再看这本书了。


              IP属地:广东12楼2015-09-01 17:43
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                Subsequently. Manteuffel gave me his fuIler reflections on this subject. "Fire-power, armour protection, speed and crosscountry performance are the essentials, and the best type of tank is that which combines these conflicting requirements with most success. In my opinion the German Panzer V, the, 'Panther'. was the most satisfactory of all. and would have been close to the ideal had it been possible to design with a lower silhouette. A main lesson I learned from all my experince was that much more importance should be placed on the speed of the tank on the battlefield than was generally believed before the war, and even during the war... It is a matter of life or death for the tank to avoid the deadly effect of enemy fire by being able to move quickly from one fireposition to another. Manoeuvrability develops into a 'weapon' and often ranks equal to fire-power and armour-protection."
                It will be noted that Manteulfel's views agreed with Thoma's as to the prime importance of all-round speed across country--what one might call "loco-mobility". The same conclusion was expressed to me by Bayerlein, one of the ablest of the younger panzer generals, who had an exceptionally wide range of experience. He was 1A (operations chief) to Guderian in the invasions of France and Russia, chief of staff to Rommel in the later part of the African campaign, later commanded the picked Panzer Lehr Division in Normandy and the Ardennes counter-offensive, and finally a corps in the Rhineland battles. Bayerlein said: "for future tank design I consider mobility, i.e. speed and manoeuvrability, the most important factor. Next comes the power of the gun (long range and calibre); and then, armour. 'Greatest mobility' will be decisive in a future war. Movement, action and surprise cannot be too fast."


                IP属地:广东13楼2015-09-01 18:11
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