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辟谣: 中国强 j 率高达20%?

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最近看到吧友时常提中国强 j 率高达20%这个数据,所以我觉得有必要分析一下。
中国强 j 率高达20%以上这个结论是United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime调查得出的,调查报告是
Prevalence of and factors associated with non-partner rapeperpetration: findings from the UN Multi-country Cross-sectional Study on Men and Violence in Asia and the Pacific
我看了调查报告,认为中国强 j 率高达20%以上这个数据不可信。
首先,这份调查的样本太小了。在每个国家只选取 大约 800到 1800个人 。放在中国这么个人口大国,采样率差不多是一百万分之一。
其次,数据分析时采用multinomial regression models,我个人不知道这是什么,但是凡是涉及模型的分析必然还牵涉到模型的准确性和适用性,那么又多了两个疑点。
最后,这个调查是采用询问男人“是否实施过强j”的办法来统计强 j 率的。那么又涉及到男人是否说实话的问题,这么看起来数据的水分就更大了。
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这是关于 UNODC的调查采样方法以及建模方法的描述 :
Methods
In this cross-sectional study, undertaken in January 2011–December 2012, for each site we chose a multistage representative sample of households and interviewed one man aged 18–49 years from each. Men self-completedquestions about rape perpetration. We present multinomial regression models of factors associated with single and multiple perpetrator rape and multivariable logistic regression models of factors associated with perpetration of malerape with population-attributable fractions.
Finding
We interviewed 10 178 men in our study (815–1812 per site). The prevalence of non-partner single perpetratorrape varied between 2·5% (28/1131; rural Bangladesh) and 26·6% (225/846; Bougainville, Papua New Guinea),multiple perpetrator rape between 1·4% (18/1246; urban Bangladesh) and 14·1% (119/846; Bougainville, Papua NewGuinea), and male rape between 1·5% (13/880; Jayapura, Indonesia) and 7·7% (65/850; Bougainville, Papua NewGuinea). 57·5% (587/1022) of men who raped a non-partner committed their fi rst rape as teenagers. Frequent reasonsfor rape were sexual entitlement (666/909; 73·3%, 95% CI 70·3–76·0), seeking of entertainment (541/921; 58·7%,55·0–62·4), and as a punishment (343/905; 37·9%, 34·5–41·4). Alcohol was a factor in 249 of 921 cases (27·0%,95% CI 24·2–30·1). Associated factors included poverty, personal history of victimisation (especially in childhood),low empathy, alcohol misuse, masculinities emphasising heterosexual performance, dominance over women, andparticipation in gangs and related activities. Only 443 of 1933 men (22·9%, 95% CI 20·7–25·3) who had committedrape had ever been sent to prison for any period.


1楼2015-12-06 02:10回复
    有没有数据分析的专家来解释解释multinomial regression models是个什么建模算法?


    2楼2015-12-06 02:11
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      且不论方法是什么,这个样本有大问题 883人根本不是随机抽取的,都是疑似性犯罪者。本来是研究施暴者的施暴类型的数据,硬生生的掰成所有男人也是醉了。


      IP属地:美国来自iPhone客户端3楼2015-12-06 04:30
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        只要找到官方反驳联合国的新闻报导就可以真像大白。


        IP属地:新加坡4楼2015-12-06 05:48
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          阴险狡诈的奶黄包!
          拖出去打出馅来


          5楼2015-12-06 07:23
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            20%的话,吧里那么多女人总该有个被强奸吧,如果没有要不数据不准,要不就是吧里女人实在太丑不入眼。究竟是那个呢?


            来自手机贴吧6楼2015-12-06 08:40
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              那个链接还说了:
              30.2% of respondents say they have raped a man and a woman among multiple perpetrators (with others/in a group setting)
              就是30.2%也强奸过男人
              中国有那么多基佬吗?


              7楼2015-12-06 10:18
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                这个20%以上,是不算夫妻和男女朋友之间的强奸,五分之一到四分之一的男人都有过“非伴侣之间的强奸”行为,是不可能的。


                8楼2015-12-06 10:55
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                  婚内强奸虽然有,也不可能太多。丈夫有力气去强奸一个苦着脸又失去新鲜感的老婆,还不如到外面约个呢。就算约的那个不如老婆好看,起码是新鲜的,而且不是苦着脸的。就算是农民工也照样约得到同样档次的女人。
                  我认为强奸主要发生在男女朋友和男女熟人之间。


                  9楼2015-12-06 11:51
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                    作者:王子潇
                    链接:http://www.zhihu.com/question/26831542/answer/38805985
                    来源:知乎
                    另外, 根据联合国发起的一项跨国调查中Rape in China, 在中国被调查者中,
                    22.2%承认曾强迫女性发生过性行为,
                    9.3%在过去的一年中进行过强迫性行为,
                    19.4%强奸过其伴侣,
                    55%的强奸者曾不止一次实施过强奸行为,
                    9%的强奸者曾强奸过4人以上,
                    72.4%的被试者中的强奸者的强奸行为未受到法律制裁,
                    1.7%的被试者层强奸过另一个男性,
                    25%的强奸者的初次强奸行为发生在青少年时期,
                    2.2%的被试者曾实施过轮奸行为.
                    这数据好巧哦。
                    看到后面那个no. of men surveyed了么?883人都是“men reporting perpetration of rape against female partners and non-partners”,也就是说这所谓的”调查者“是”报告行凶的嫌疑人“,这个表格并不是普通的简单随机抽样,而是为了探究施暴者身份的比重。前面的引用数据都有意无意的忽视了这个限定条件。
                    附上原文:
                    Table 4.1 shows that there is also wide variation in men’s perpetration of rape against a female non-partner, ranging from 4 percent (Bangladesh-urban and rural) to 41 percent (Papua New Guinea-Bougainville). In most sites, the prevalence of gang rape ranged from 1 percent to 2 percent; however Cambodia-national (5 percent) and Indonesia-Papua (7 percent) were considerably higher, and the highest of all was Papua New Guinea-Bougainville (14 percent).
                    Combining all forms of rape, the study found that a range of 10 percent (Bangladesh-urban) to 62 percent (Papua New Guinea-Bougainville) of all men reported perpetrating some form of rape against a woman or girl in their lifetime. From 1 percent to 25 percent of men across sites reported doing so in the 12 months prior to the interview. Partner rape was measured among ever-partnered men whereas non-partner rape, gang rape and any rape were measured among all men. Given the different denominators, it is possible for the reported rate of ‘any rape’ to be lower than that of ‘partner rape’.
                    于是乎学术调查中关于施暴者身份的比例调查摇身一变,1/4的中国男同胞就成了强奸犯。


                    IP属地:浙江来自Android客户端10楼2015-12-06 17:23
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                      好多数据都不准,要看调查机构和方法指标还有调查人员,自从北京获得了全中国宜居城市第一名的称号,我就不怎么信那些所谓的数据调查结论了


                      来自iPhone客户端11楼2015-12-06 17:23
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